I was watching an episode of rolled up and bill cooper was talking about baiting.Im not trying to brag but my armbar defense so baiting works for me how bought you other guys do you use the strategie?
im the mountain of the mat you may move me, you may crack me, but you will never break me.
Baiting is a interesting topic. I do not like to bait unless I have a specific technique that I like to use. For instance, I LOVE that ankle lock to a pass move that Bill Cooper showed on episode 18 of Rolled Up. That ankle lock to pass technique was used by Leo Viera, but they started to give advantage points away to his oponents before he could pass. He then modified to a leg drag. They explain it on Rolled Up episode 12 with Leandro Vieira (http://www.budovideos.com/online/cat...hows/rolledup/)
I usually try not to give people submissions so that I can pass. The reason is because I feel that it creates a lot of bad habits that will cause problems. You may be good at armbar counters, but there will be a day when someone is better then you at armbars and you get submitted A LOT! I was taught a americana from bottom of side controll once, it works but is low percentage.
yes i use the americana from side mount bottom and it works well when you get it.
im the mountain of the mat you may move me, you may crack me, but you will never break me.
I haven't seen the video, but I understand baiting totally different than offering submission attempts to my opponent.
If I have side control, I will grab a lapel or a collar etc, pressure my opponent from one direction so that they will have the urge to do something that will allow me to work a submission on them. Or I will just use pressure to bait them into doing something that I am looking for. Pretty much the same thing from other positions.
For example in bottom-guard I will push my opponents head to a direction I don't want it, so that he will work against me pushing it the, meaning that when I stop pushing and move my hand, he will still keep pushing with his head (for a very short while ofcourse) and ending up with it exactly where I wanted it originally.
Or yesterday I was teaching my guys to use the omoplata. We started with some fundamental stuff, the we moved to the basic omoplata sweep (you know the one, when he defends it and you turn away from your opponent, pulling him over you and end up in a weird sidecontrol with his arm between your legs). From there we started working on basic "baiting" or whatever you wanna call it. Instead of going for side control, we pushed with the hand not holding the sleeve on the opponents hip (pushing it down!) and sat on the opponents belly with our back toward his face. Almost everytime I've done it, my opponents gets the urge to push me over and try to get top position because they feel how bad my balance is when I am sitting on them. But because I'm waiting for the roll, I am pushing their hip down hard, and roll to a omoplata once again, this time I got my opponent flat on their belly, making it very hard to defend to omoplata. This is a just an example of how I look at baiting. I would never use submissions against myself in baiting. It might work at practise and in some tournaments, but it most definatley won't work forever.
Occasionally I'll bait from under side control, leaving myself open to getting mounted. As soon as their leg goes over, bridge into them and roll to guard. However, that can be risky if they're quick at the transition to mount.
I bait a lot with kneebars, (my legs are double jointed so kneebars don't effect me) and I use it to get back control.
This sounds really dangerous!
Originally Posted by Addicted.
Be carefull of this. Even though you are double jointed, it doesn't mean you cant be hurt. Do this too often and you will find someone who is determined to mess your knee up and they likely will.
i like the guard armbar to flower seep.. back choke to armbar too
Once in a while I bait by leaving a arm out slightly to get the person to open up to pass.
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